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for starters yes I am very aware that the tune for every combination is different and yes my truck is already tuned. just curious what kind of WOT advance guys are running in the 4/5/6/7K range. anyone?
 

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NA you can get away with 22-24 range normally. Boosted I do a 1.5:1 reduction ratio for safety since I’m not there tuning in person
 

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Depends on elevation, depends on Fuel, NA, Boosted, NOS, street/strip or strip /street. intake manifold can also influence the curve.
1st thing the OEM tables are just weird, they need a lot of smoothing to make any real power...but if the end users vehicle stays in traffic more then it gets a "work out" the stock tables are fine up to 75-80KPA, if it's a 4x4 work truck on 87 oct...No wonder there were a lot of broken ring lands.

22-26 is the #s a lot of people toss out there for NA. between 4k-7000 RPMs ,
The 05GTx ram when I had the 392 in it, that 392 loved 30-32 once it got up past 3kRPMs (see below) the reason I switched from HP to Haltech on that truck was the 8160RPM limit of the tune it would hit 8100rpms at the 1000ft mark and nose dive , keep in mind that 392 made power on the dyno with a carb and MSD-6 box well past 8k ... there was about another 300-500 RPMs in there yet that I just could not get out of the OEM PCM.... the best run with the 05 PCM was [email protected] , switched over to the stand alone and got another .24 out of that 392.

15-20 For boosted (next image) this is the table that I'm using for Zach's 2010 with a 409ci BGE build , has a 4.5l Whipple on it and an old school 727 behind it, made 1420rwhp @ 28lbs of boost as you can see it's as low as 14 and as high as 20 degrees from 4k-7000

NOS is difficult ,generally the larger the shot the more timing you need to pull, the 2014 with the 175 1st shot hits @ 3200 from there to 4k I run 11 in the upper table level, the 2nd kit of 175 hits @ 4100 I drop the upper table another 6 for a grand total 5 degrees at 5960+ rpms(no kool images still working out a good "Mexico Tune")

My 04 SLT at WOT it'll stay in the 102.6 to 105 KPA range from 1900-6250 shift point , the 3rd image is the 12.68 run, 4th is the 12:22 only difference is from 1600rpms and up (102+KPA area) For the most part
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For what it's worth, 04 Ram Stock WOT table
7250(04 Ram) stock WOT .png


05 Ram 93 OCT Diablo tune WOT table
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06 6.1 SRT Magnum stock WOT table
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and for Giggles and craps , 06 Ram Procharged 397(..030 BGE build all forged with big chamber eddelbrock heads Sniper intake) ...this one LOVES timing and bucks the norm got it up to 26 @ at 14lbs of boost on 100oct before it stopped making power, backed way down for street duty ,this truck runs a very legit 6.0 in the 1/8th @ 4200 lbs
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Wonder what my mild street 03 KRC boost tune looks like on a graph. There's no part throttle boost tuning at all. There's probably a big blank hole in the center of the tune graph. o_O It was either cruising or full boost wot. It just had to be driven a certain way.
 

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The 05GTx ram when I had the 392 in it, that 392 loved 30-32 once it got up past 3kRPMs (see below) the reason I switched from HP to Haltech on that truck was the 8160RPM limit of the tune it would hit 8100rpms at the 1000ft mark and nose dive , keep in mind that 392 made power on the dyno with a carb and MSD-6 box well past 8k ... there was about another 300-500 RPMs in there yet that I just could not get out of the OEM PCM.... the best run with the 05 PCM was [email protected] , switched over to the stand alone and got another .24 out of that 392.




I should also point out this 392 was FAR from stock.
The 392(4.08X3.75) in my 05 Plum Crazy GTxtreme
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Block Prep
6.1 Block with 2 inches of Block filler, (Lithium Silicate/alum) Block was decked to 9.235.
Pro-Gram Main caps(now Billet SpeedWorks)
Cam Tunnel was sealed off with .030 aluminum plates.
Barnes 5 stage pump(9025-6rp), scavenge was set up 3 lines off the pan 1 line off of modified MDS plugs
Crankshaft was stock 6.4 with the nose trimmed to work in the 6.1 block, Knife edge, and coated with a ceramic/Teflon coating the helps shed oil from the throws. rod journals resized to 1.88 and offset ground from 3.72 to 3.75
Pistons are J&E 1.065 Pin Height, + 9CC dome. ceramic coated, each piston was fitted to it's corresponding combustion chamber.
Pankl connecting rods,6.30 Center to center, .866 pin dia.
Heads are Apache , with 2.18X6mm titanium intake ,1.65X7 mm titanium nail head design., heads flow 385 @.650 , they flowed 370cfm with the 8mm stem. milled to yield 72CC ,static compression is 13.7
Valve springs were PSI 1513 Dual springs titanium retainers with lash caps, Rockers at the time were PRW. lifters were Jesel .905 dog bone with Jesel's lifter yoke.
Camshaft .660/645 ,276/[email protected], 108 Centerline installed at 104.Valve lash is set at .003 hot.

Never ran on less then 112 oct.
 

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Wonder what my mild street 03 KRC boost tune looks like on a graph. There's no part throttle boost tuning at all. There's probably a big blank hole in the center of the tune graph. o_O It was either cruising or full boost wot. It just had to be driven a certain way.
the Tables I posted are WOT , there are part time tables,

on the 03's Honestly I wouldn't have a clue, , I have Nothing on the 03's , both the HP and Syked don't work with the 03 Hemi PCM , Hell Syked only does Neon's now....after the law suit. , not sure how that affects B&G they were selling his Hand held tuner.
I do know those guys went by the old standard of pull 2 degrees for every 1lbs of boost.
I've been told a few times that the 03's read very much like the 04/05 tables, there just a pain to access....
 
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