2008 Ram 1500 4x4 5.7 for now....
personally i dont like the torque curve of single/dual plane intakes for what i want.I choose the only dual plane manifold at the time from OCP. Had it hand ported. Works good on a boosted 397 stroker.. Talk to Joe, he's a straight shooter..
very true.the Victor II is a single plane intake, as is your factory intake, the 392 factory intake, etc. Anything with a common plenum is a single plane manifold.
carb or efi doesn't matter when referring to the single/dual plane moniker.what would the correct terminology be for the carb style intakes?
there is no need to justify your choice of parts that you choose to buy, it is your money.
Mmmm , you know if you work out the math , the Video's HP #s work out. freeze the video @ 1:19 it's pulling 697.5 @ 6380RPMs making 582.5 TQ , my Kids 5.7 based 392 dyno pull at 6400 was 718hp/589TQ , his dart runs the low [email protected]( 2800lbs) to back up 720ish HP, and that 392 in the video is close to the kids pulls, my kids cam spec is just under .640, [email protected], he's running Eddy heads with 2.20 intake and the Exhaust seat welded up to run a smaller 1.625(stock is 1.65) the snipper is holding that G3 in the video back, the HI -Ram is Nuts on a good working G3.ok this is a perfect example of "don't believe everything you see on the internet". I will tell you straight up that dude is full of shit. the power curve he is claiming, think about it for a second. just under 500 lb-ft of torque 'just off idle', a peak torque number of 550 and peak hp of just over 660. his numbers are bullshit.
with a peak torque number of 550 lb-ft, the absolute lowest rpm at which he could hit 660hp would be 6,300 and he would need 550 lb-ft to do it at that rpm, yet 550 is his claimed peak torque number. plus, the torque would have to do a spectacular nosedive immediately after 6,300rpm in order for the motor to not make a higher than claimed peak hp number.
even if he hit his peak hp at 7,000rpm (which he wouldn't do without some expensive parts running a 4.050" stroke), he would still need 500 lb-ft at 7K to be in the 660s for hp. so just off idle to 7K rpm his torque curve is so flat that it stays within 50 lb-ft?
any well designed motor will have a fairly flat torque curve, but if he is making 500+ tq just off idle and then holding onto it for that long, why not spin the motor faster and make way more hp?
and as you see, he advertises it as being dynoed with a startup tune and then the motor runs with the self tuning. so he is doing all this without even tuning the motor?!? I bet if you ask him, he can send the shuttle into orbit with Roman candles.
Mmmm , you know if you work out the math , the Video's HP #s work out. freeze the video @ 1:19 it's pulling 697.5 @ 6380RPMs making 582.5 TQ , my Kids 5.7 based 392 dyno pull at 6400 was 718hp/589TQ , his dart runs the low [email protected]( 2800lbs) to back up 720ish HP, and that 392 in the video is close to the kids pulls, my kids cam spec is just under .640, [email protected], he's running Eddy heads with 2.20 intake and the Exhaust seat welded up to run a smaller 1.625(stock is 1.65) the snipper is holding that G3 in the video back, the HI -Ram is Nuts on a good working G3.
I'll give you that, I'll say he does come off as a snake oil salesman.I'm not saying the numbers are impossible, of course not.
but I am saying those numbers don't jive with his claim of 500tq just off idle, or how smooth the motor idles, or his admission that it isn't even tuned. the stuff that doesn't add up is the combination of claims that rolls out of his mouth.
I was just looking at those Flow #s , pretty dam good for a 2.0/1.55 valve combo....309/[email protected] and the EX to IN flow ratio is right where these G3s thrive(74% ), most other V8s need to be in the high 70's to 80% range, while the G3 works best in the 65-75% range..Well hi folks. I'm Tristyn.
Im currently in my first engine build... or paying for one at least... "building remotely" as I like to call it....
Im up in Fort McMurray, and my friend of 20 years, Dan, is down in Edmonton is doing the actual building. Hes been a mechanic for as long as I've known him, but his specialty has been repair, not performance builds, so there are some things even he cant answer for me.
While up til now, I've never been an engine guy, I learn by doing, and jumping in deep.... as you will soon see...
So to start off, I have a 2008 ram 5.7 4x4, minor valvetrain noise at idle, quickly turned into what will be about ~12K$ project mostly due to boredom.
Im keeping the truck forever, its in GREAT condition. i could fix it for under $2000, have a bit of fun on the top end for $4000, but the bottom end would still be 13 years old.....
So screw it! start fresh, just swap it when ready, minimal downtime.
The idea is a daily driver / super street pickup. no plans on going to the track more than once, just for the laugh of it.
So picked up a donor engine from an identical vehicle, 2008 ram, 5.7, tore it open and it was a beaute! $1800
Took the block to a machinist and had it bored, agligned, line bored, decked, & dipped, frost plugs removed and tapped the holes, ect. stuff... $2000
Manley stroker kit , pistons .010 over, only size piston in stock. $3000
Stock 08 ram heads, hand ported polished by a one-armed machinist. this guy palmed the head with his one hand and handed it to my buddy Dan. LOL $2000
heres the flow rates
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doing some research about a new intake threw up some issues.... damn AC compressor is in the way... not loosing it.
so found a plan.
car timing cover, car accessory drive. electric rad fan.
So i purchased the Flex-a-lite 183 kit and installed the e-fan.
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got about this far when i came across a website
Gen III Hemi, Hemi engine, 345CI, Mopar, Mopar Hemiwww.customcrateengines.com
and would ya look at that... basically what I was planning.... 650HP... really? cool!
well this list fills in some blanks....
injector size 47 lbs/hr
... and... whats this? March Accessory Drive kit? oh!!!!!! thats pretty! - Chrysler 5.7, 6.1 & 6.4 HEMI : Style Track - requires car timing cover.. hmmm... lets see if there is budget for this at the end... lol
So now Im working overtime to buy the next few grand of parts....
Camshaft and valvetrain next. Dans buddy is "running some numbers" in one of his programs to aide us in our cam choice.
it will be a Compcams cam plus springs, rocker assembly.
Things still need to figure out....
Stock PCM or aftermarket?
terminator x looks like a good fit for the engine, but dont think it will play with this transmission?? not sure.. this is where im stuck at the moment.
Complicating things maybe is, im starting with the stock 454RFE, but planning on 8HP70 swap later down the road... might also do a turbo too after the tranny....
thats where im at...
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Discuss... Advise.... Call me a moron...
yea I got the same impression from him. the thing that rings the bs detector is the whole of everything he says, not any individual claim. I just don't like it when builders throw out unrealistic claims, I'm sure his motors put up nice numbers, there is no need to exaggerate them. big hp numbers and torque coming in like a diesel sure sounds nice but when you pick it apart it stops sounding real. I know that you obviously know these things, but a person who doesn't know would figure out that a piece of his claims was missing after they shell out 17 grand.I'll give you that, I'll say he does come off as a snake oil salesman.
Been looking at the Holley High Ram for a little while now. Looks like it would work good under boost. Might loose some tq at the lower rpm's but, adding 4.56 gears to my 05 rc would bring some of the lost tq back. What's your thoughts on that basic setup Ray?the HI -Ram is Nuts on a good working G3.
you won't lose that much TQ depending on the CI of the Turbo engine .Been looking at the Holley High Ram for a little while now. Looks like it would work good under boost. Might loose some tq at the lower rpm's but, adding 4.56 gears to my 05 rc would bring some of the lost tq back. What's your thoughts on that basic setup Ray?
PS. Don't mean to hijack your thread Tristyn. Have to ask the question before I get busy doing other things and forget about the question I was going to ask...
Yeap, it's a tighter fit on the 02-08s It does not fit with the older heads and "adaptors" but any square port head it's fine , but what I've seen is there is still an issue with the TB hitting the AC and Alt .He says the Holley Hi-Ram will fit on Dodge Ram trucks.
Yeap, it's a tighter fit on the 02-08s It does not fit with the older heads and "adaptors" but any square port head it's fine , but what I've seen is there is still an issue with the TB hitting the AC and Alt .