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Old 04-07-2015, 09:23 AM   #1
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Towing with a Hemi

Hello everyone we are newbies and are hoping for some help picking the right Dodge for us. We are an old couple and are about to take a long trip around the country and need some info on things to look for when buying a Hemi truck.We are towing a 23 foot travel trailer and our present Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 auto trans did not like the mountains and we thought it might be time to look for a good used Hemi. We love the looks of a Hemi but don't know much else.We are old and don't need trouble on the road so we turn to you folks for any tips on what to look for when buying. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you. Neil and Maureen the OLD goat travelers

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Old 04-07-2015, 10:06 AM   #2
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What's the trailer weight?
Trailer gross weight rating?
How large are the holding tanks (fresh/black/gray)?

In my experience tow ratings on vehicles are greatly overstated in particular if you tow in the mountains. As as example my Nissan Frontier is rated to tow 6500# however towing our 16' trailer (weighs about 2700#) in the mountains is a chore and mileage really stinks (6-10mpg).

We're about the buy a new 1500 with a 5.7 hemi to make our towing lives easier..

I think a lot will depend on how you drive, how much hassle you can tolerate (pulling off into turnouts to let people pass, etc)..

There are other factors to consider as well, rear end gear ratio, 4wd vs 2wd, etc. It looks like the 4.7 made about 330ft lbs of torque, the 5.7 is rated for 410.. pretty big bump however many of the 5.7's I've seen have 3.21 gearing in the rear end. However (another ;-) the 8 speed automatic probably makes a big difference in towing..

Hopefully someone else will chime in, if you can post some weight information about your trailer.. that'll help.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:19 AM   #3
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In one word --- Diesel. Better the torque than HP to tow.

I am currently towing a 6x8 "V"-nose cargo trailer from Phoenix to Salida. Based on my experience, with this little trailer, once you hit the grades (such as the one leading up to Sunset Point outside Black Canyon City) or any head winds (as it happens most of the summer days across Apache and Navajo counties) you'll realize it will still push that HEMI to it's limits (or any gas powered vehicle). Even that grade, outside Rye going up to Payson, will make you wonder why you didn't go with diesel. My truck came with a 'tow package' (3:92 ratio, extra fin coolers, rear springs, etc.) and it's mildly modified. Flat out, it's great, but where can one travel where it's flat in greater southwest (unless it's from one end of the San Luis Valley to the other end)? Simple fact in towing is torque to overcome travel transitions, such as hills and headwinds. "I Love My HEMI" when it comes to four wheelin' and toolin' down the highway, but when it comes to towing --- MEh! My two cents!

Downside to diesel is maintenance cost.

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In one word --- Diesel. Better the torque than HP to tow.

I am currently towing a 6x8 "V"-nose cargo trailer from Phoenix to Salida.
How much weight do you have in that cargo trailer? I don't think diesel is necessary for everyone towing, by the numbers the 3.0 diesel only makes 10 more ft lbs of torque than the 5.7... better mileage while towing is very likely with a diesel but up front costs can get pretty high.

Granted nobody ever complains about having too much power (at least none that I've heard) on the other hand paying 50k for a truck might be out of the question for many people.
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DIESEL or maybe 2500 with 392 Hemi, 4:56, and 6 speed manual.






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My two cents for retirement travel/recreational towing would be a 2500 with a good gear and a hemi. For extended or more serious towing then a diesel 2500. Personally I play with the hemi and tow with a diesel.


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I haven't found anything that my '06 2500 couldn't move....believe me, I've tried lol I've sled pulled, the sled weighs 30,000#. I've hauled 11 alfalfa silage bales on a 20' gooseneck hitch flatbed all day, something to the tune of 13 loads in a day More gear is better for towing. My factory 4.10 gear ratio does just fine for me
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How much weight do you have in that cargo trailer? I don't think diesel is necessary for everyone towing, by the numbers the 3.0 diesel only makes 10 more ft lbs of torque than the 5.7... better mileage while towing is very likely with a diesel but up front costs can get pretty high.

Granted nobody ever complains about having too much power (at least none that I've heard) on the other hand paying 50k for a truck might be out of the question for many people.
The Haulmark I use weighs 1100 lbs empty. That was the weight when we hit 35 to 40 mph head winds, last year, in northern AZ. It practically required the entire pedal to keep it moving 60 to 65 mph. A 6.7 or 5.9 diesel would had been a different story. A 23 foot trailer in that situation? Just a larger area of drag.

As far as torque goes:

The new 5.7 HEMI = 407 lbs
The new EcoDiesel = 420 lbs
The 6.7 diesel = 610 - 865 lbs < My recommendation
The new 6.4 HEMI = 429 lbs < Second choice

You are right about the price BD0. It is pricey! However, if I was going to invest in a disposable product that will do the job for a long time with minimum problems, that would be my choice.

BTW - For what it's worth. there are a few Youtube videos showing the new EcoDiesel in action towing a trailer. From what they show, I wouldn't own one. It's not really that great of an investment if it can't out run a Ford (of course Ford really has something going for them with that Ecoboost).
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I haven't found anything that my '06 2500 couldn't move....believe me, I've tried lol I've sled pulled, the sled weighs 30,000#. I've hauled 11 alfalfa silage bales on a 20' gooseneck hitch flatbed all day, something to the tune of 13 loads in a day More gear is better for towing. My factory 4.10 gear ratio does just fine for me
Yeaaaaah. You got me thinking about 4:10. I know it will make a difference.
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